not in the swing of things yet

im tired its 1 AM

i accidentally stayed up too late talking about sexuality lol whoops

momothefiddler:

applestrider:

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yep! i understand now. i get where youre coming from, but i guess its problematic because then one is associating bisexuality with the reinforcement of the binary instead of explaining why bisexuality doesn’t actually do that? of course someone can identify as pansexual if it suits them better, but if they think it implies the negative connotation in how bisexuals contribute to the erasure of nb people then thats….. not good….

Hm.
I mean, like I said, I understand the evolution of the term. But can’t you see where people are coming from in seeing it that way? By the evolution of the term it’s fine, but purely etymologically “bi-“ does mean “two”, and if you’re using “bi-” to mean “all”, there is certainly validity in the idea that you’re erasing enbies. I don’t think that people are bad for using “bi-” to mean “all” (or “three”, or “several”, etc.), just like I don’t think anyone’s bad for people to say “postman” to mean “a person of arbitrary/indefinite gender who delivers mail”. But I think that some people are paying close attention to the effects of the words they choose and I think it’s good for people to use “pan-” and “poly-“, just like I think it’s good for people to use “mail carrier”. If nothing else, it draws attention to the binary that is embedded in our societal unconscious and that is a good thing.

oh yeah definitely, i understand. im not trying to go against using pan or poly. sorry if it came off as that way. but i think the best thing we can do is to educate. 

momothefiddler:

applestrider:

[snip]

yep! i understand now. i get where youre coming from, but i guess its problematic because then one is associating bisexuality with the reinforcement of the binary instead of explaining why bisexuality doesn’t actually do that? of course someone can identify as pansexual if it suits them better, but if they think it implies the negative connotation in how bisexuals contribute to the erasure of nb people then thats….. not good….

Hm.

I mean, like I said, I understand the evolution of the term. But can’t you see where people are coming from in seeing it that way? By the evolution of the term it’s fine, but purely etymologically “bi-“ does mean “two”, and if you’re using “bi-” to mean “all”, there is certainly validity in the idea that you’re erasing enbies. I don’t think that people are bad for using “bi-” to mean “all” (or “three”, or “several”, etc.), just like I don’t think anyone’s bad for people to say “postman” to mean “a person of arbitrary/indefinite gender who delivers mail”. But I think that some people are paying close attention to the effects of the words they choose and I think it’s good for people to use “pan-” and “poly-“, just like I think it’s good for people to use “mail carrier”. If nothing else, it draws attention to the binary that is embedded in our societal unconscious and that is a good thing.

oh yeah definitely, i understand. im not trying to go against using pan or poly. sorry if it came off as that way. but i think the best thing we can do is to educate. 

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

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ahhh. i see now! it’s a detail that’s been puzzling me for a while, and i’m happy to have a better grasp of it now. thank you (and momo) for the clarifications. it does make sense, and i think it’s an excellent shift of understanding for bisexuality.

thank u!!! ( i read ur tags)  im happy that i helped you understand it a bit more. you posed some great questions that made me think and through answering them i learned even more about bisexuality!

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

[snip]

ahhh. i see now! it’s a detail that’s been puzzling me for a while, and i’m happy to have a better grasp of it now. thank you (and momo) for the clarifications. it does make sense, and i think it’s an excellent shift of understanding for bisexuality.

thank u!!! ( i read ur tags)  im happy that i helped you understand it a bit more. you posed some great questions that made me think and through answering them i learned even more about bisexuality!

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

momothefiddler:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well there’s the interpretation that bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing but pansexuals are specifically avoiding reinforcing the false binary.

but bisexuals arent trying to enforce the binary either?

one definition of bisexuality that’s gaining some weight is basically “attraction to the same and opposite sex as yours”, which drops the association with men and women. pansexuality’s attraction to all genders, of course. and there’s another sexuality for just multiple, not all, genders, but i can’t remember it right now…

i think youre thinking of polysexual.
but the definition that bisexuals like to use are “your gender + other genders” “other gender + other genders” 
i go into more depth in this post
diabeteswithowl’s bisexuality tag is also a great resource

aha! thank you for the response—i didn’t see your reply to my first comment. and also thank you for the reminder about polysexual. i have trouble remembering words sometimes.
basically what i can understand from this is that there’s a sort of tiered arrangement to a lot of sexualities: pansexual=attraction to all genders>polysexual=attraction to multiple genders>bisexual=attraction to two genders>gay/hetero=attraction to one gender. i’m just arranging from the variance in attraction.
but i don’t really understand why you would say “2 or more genders”-the functioning part of the word is "bi", which is for referring to things such as two, double, twice, etc. if someone were attracted to 3 or more genders, wouldn’t they be poly/pansexual?

thats a common misconception actually!
bisexuality, from the definitions bisexual community uses (link is in my first comment) is that, no, it is not attraction to two genders. it is the attraction to two categories of genders. so, basically the attraction to “your gender + other genders” or “other gender + other genders” those are two . it’s a very difficult concept to wrap the brain around. i certainly didn’t get it until after a while. feel free to message me or anything and i’ll try to help you understand.
obviously my statement doesn’t apply to everyone. it’s the person’s choice to choose how they identify. i made the graphic in the first place because people were confused i how i identified/interpreted my sexuality.

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

momothefiddler:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well there’s the interpretation that bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing but pansexuals are specifically avoiding reinforcing the false binary.

but bisexuals arent trying to enforce the binary either?

one definition of bisexuality that’s gaining some weight is basically “attraction to the same and opposite sex as yours”, which drops the association with men and women. pansexuality’s attraction to all genders, of course. and there’s another sexuality for just multiple, not all, genders, but i can’t remember it right now…

i think youre thinking of polysexual.

but the definition that bisexuals like to use are “your gender + other genders” “other gender + other genders” 

i go into more depth in this post

diabeteswithowl’s bisexuality tag is also a great resource

aha! thank you for the response—i didn’t see your reply to my first comment. and also thank you for the reminder about polysexual. i have trouble remembering words sometimes.

basically what i can understand from this is that there’s a sort of tiered arrangement to a lot of sexualities: pansexual=attraction to all genders>polysexual=attraction to multiple genders>bisexual=attraction to two genders>gay/hetero=attraction to one gender. i’m just arranging from the variance in attraction.

but i don’t really understand why you would say “2 or more genders”-the functioning part of the word is "bi", which is for referring to things such as two, double, twice, etc. if someone were attracted to 3 or more genders, wouldn’t they be poly/pansexual?

thats a common misconception actually!

bisexuality, from the definitions bisexual community uses (link is in my first comment) is that, no, it is not attraction to two genders. it is the attraction to two categories of genders. so, basically the attraction to “your gender + other genders” or “other gender + other genders” those are two . it’s a very difficult concept to wrap the brain around. i certainly didn’t get it until after a while. feel free to message me or anything and i’ll try to help you understand.

obviously my statement doesn’t apply to everyone. it’s the person’s choice to choose how they identify. i made the graphic in the first place because people were confused i how i identified/interpreted my sexuality.

momothefiddler:

applestrider:

momothefiddler:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well there’s the interpretation that bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing but pansexuals are specifically avoiding reinforcing the false binary.

but bisexuals arent trying to enforce the binary either?

(whoops, messed up on responding to this somehow: )
thus “specifically avoiding reinforcing”. My understanding is that “bisexual” is the older word and that a large number of people who use it use it to mean “attracted to people in general rather than limited to a certain sex/gender”, and that there are people who use “pansexual” to mean exactly the same thing, but they want to use words that don’t reinforce the binary. It’s sort of like how people who say “postman” aren’t evilly trying to support the profession as male-only; just that some people go out of their way to say “mail carrier” or similar to avoid feeding into the overall trend.
I hope that makes sense? I did not mean to come off as accusative or anything.

yep! i understand now. i get where youre coming from, but i guess its problematic because then one is associating bisexuality with the reinforcement of the binary instead of explaining why bisexuality doesn’t actually do that? of course someone can identify as pansexual if it suits them better, but if they think it implies the negative connotation in how bisexuals contribute to the erasure of nb people then thats….. not good….

momothefiddler:

applestrider:

momothefiddler:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well there’s the interpretation that bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing but pansexuals are specifically avoiding reinforcing the false binary.

but bisexuals arent trying to enforce the binary either?

(whoops, messed up on responding to this somehow: )

thus “specifically avoiding reinforcing”. My understanding is that “bisexual” is the older word and that a large number of people who use it use it to mean “attracted to people in general rather than limited to a certain sex/gender”, and that there are people who use “pansexual” to mean exactly the same thing, but they want to use words that don’t reinforce the binary. It’s sort of like how people who say “postman” aren’t evilly trying to support the profession as male-only; just that some people go out of their way to say “mail carrier” or similar to avoid feeding into the overall trend.

I hope that makes sense? I did not mean to come off as accusative or anything.

yep! i understand now. i get where youre coming from, but i guess its problematic because then one is associating bisexuality with the reinforcement of the binary instead of explaining why bisexuality doesn’t actually do that? of course someone can identify as pansexual if it suits them better, but if they think it implies the negative connotation in how bisexuals contribute to the erasure of nb people then thats….. not good….

if you have any questions feel free to message me!!! my ask is always open
castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

momothefiddler:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well there’s the interpretation that bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing but pansexuals are specifically avoiding reinforcing the false binary.

but bisexuals arent trying to enforce the binary either?

one definition of bisexuality that’s gaining some weight is basically “attraction to the same and opposite sex as yours”, which drops the association with men and women. pansexuality’s attraction to all genders, of course. and there’s another sexuality for just multiple, not all, genders, but i can’t remember it right now…

i think youre thinking of polysexual.
but the definition that bisexuals like to use are “your gender + other genders” “other gender + other genders” 
i go into more depth in this post
diabeteswithowl’s bisexuality tag is also a great resource

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

momothefiddler:

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well there’s the interpretation that bisexual and pansexual mean the same thing but pansexuals are specifically avoiding reinforcing the false binary.

but bisexuals arent trying to enforce the binary either?

one definition of bisexuality that’s gaining some weight is basically “attraction to the same and opposite sex as yours”, which drops the association with men and women. pansexuality’s attraction to all genders, of course. and there’s another sexuality for just multiple, not all, genders, but i can’t remember it right now…

i think youre thinking of polysexual.

but the definition that bisexuals like to use are “your gender + other genders” “other gender + other genders” 

i go into more depth in this post

diabeteswithowl’s bisexuality tag is also a great resource

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well i think the problem is that it’s a common misconception that bisexuality is completely restricted to the gender binary. according to the definition by the bisexual community, it is the attraction to 2 or more genders (attraction to your gender + other genders, etc) pansexuality is attraction to every gender or regardless of gender. there’s some overlap because everyone that is pansexual is bisexual because youre attracted 2 or more genders. but not everyone that is bisexual is pansexual. a bisexual could be attracted to 2, 3, 4, or all genders.
for example i am bisexual but i am not pansexual. i am attracted to 2+ genders, but i am not attracted to all genders. it wouldn’t be accurate if i labeled myself as a bisexual under the umbrella term pansexual. because then i would be attracted to everyone regardless of gender, but i would also only be attracted to a few genders. which doesn’t really make sense!
sorry i did my best to explain this, it’s pretty late but feel free to message me if you have any questions/i said something wrong.

castielscheesecake:

applestrider:

my work here is done

lovely! but shouldn’t it be the other way around? pansexuality encompasses a wider range of gender than bisexuality does.

well i think the problem is that it’s a common misconception that bisexuality is completely restricted to the gender binary. according to the definition by the bisexual community, it is the attraction to 2 or more genders (attraction to your gender + other genders, etc) pansexuality is attraction to every gender or regardless of gender. there’s some overlap because everyone that is pansexual is bisexual because youre attracted 2 or more genders. but not everyone that is bisexual is pansexual. a bisexual could be attracted to 2, 3, 4, or all genders.

for example i am bisexual but i am not pansexual. i am attracted to 2+ genders, but i am not attracted to all genders. it wouldn’t be accurate if i labeled myself as a bisexual under the umbrella term pansexual. because then i would be attracted to everyone regardless of gender, but i would also only be attracted to a few genders. which doesn’t really make sense!

sorry i did my best to explain this, it’s pretty late but feel free to message me if you have any questions/i said something wrong.

Gay Timeline

policeeternity:

  • 1900s-1950s: gays dont exist yet
  • 1960s: the first gays appear, good time for hippys
  • 1970s: gays learn to play music, invent disco
  • 1980s: AIDS happens… big time government fail
  • 1990s: gays start to take stand
  • 2000s: gays achieve equality thru civil unions
  • 2010s: then take it too far with social justioce crap :\

*pops, locks, and drops* i hate school